Took my 13 yo out this morning. Wind was perfect we got in and set up by 6:10am with no problem. As always the boy passes out. As I sat there i thought I seen a deer at about 650ish. I looked though the binos and there he was 35 yards in the food plot. I woke hunter up and thats all it took. 35 yard shot with the 450. Perfect double lung he ran maybe 50 yards. We waited a hour before getting down and finding him.